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People get to use hangared planes during flight training?!
Yeah! Not pictured are the massage chairs and fondue set! You had those, right?
I never flew a plane younger than me until long after I was done with my private.
Uphill both ways, yada yada
Pretty much every flight school I’ve seen or been to in the Midwest are hangared.
Ours were all hangared. Few C172s, PA-28, and Cub all had their own little hangar.
I did because I’m in a sweet flying club
my first flight school had a hangar
I chuckled at this because I never had the luxury of flying a hangared plane for my PPL and spent literally hours scraping ice and snow off of aircraft, playing the preheat/try-to-start/preheat/repeat game. At least you are off to a good start!
Okay fair point. Bleating retracted!
What type of plane do you leave out in the snow? How is it holding up?
Not everyone has hangars. Even the Air Force, we lost something like 3/4 of the entire T1 fleet during a hail storm a few years back because the aircraft at all the UPT bases only have sun shades (if that). The The PA28 at the Part 61 school I did my private at way back in the day flew just fine.
Were you at Laughlin for the hail storm? Damn that shit was so crazy
I was at Vance but we lost a bunch of birds sending them down to Laughlin so they could at least continue training a few pilots a year...it was sad to see. Later at my B-course I could always tell which studs came through Laughlin because they all had effectively brand new cars full of golf ball dimples :S
Yeah the fleet was interesting to see with all the different tails out there. They’re finally starting to get jets back from repair over the last year but it’s still not 100%.
At least they got a pay out from USAA. Still a super shitty situation.
Quick question, if there was a hail storm why weren't the planes flown somewhere else?
There isn't enough warning. Severe weather in Texas is so common that they wouldn't get anything done if they moved them every time severe weather is forecast. And really bad hailstorms like that are generally very local events.
the UK flight school I’m at has 6 C152 and 12 Warriors that live outside full time. They’re a bit shagged but fine. We get snow less often, but frequent ice and frost in winter.
Prime first (lets it vaporise a bit) scrape all the ice off the windows, get in and curse and swear as it refuses to start. Prime again, engage starter and pump the throttle - hoping it doesnt catch fire. Taxi to the vaguely heated maintenance hanger. Let ice melt whilst doing the Check A and frantically dry it with blue roll otherwise it refreezes when you push it back out. PITA. 45 minutes later off you go.
One student did a full check A outside and whacked the flaps down whilst it was frozen up and burnt out the flap motor.
It’s a poor person practice, I guess.
Go to Alaska. No one has hangars.
Could be worse. You got the hangar door open. Try having 6 inches of ice welding it closed at 20 degrees F.
I got back after the annual and had no way to get the door open. Reluctantly, I left the plane blocking the ramp, figuring that nobody would be flying.
I had to scurry out to Menards to get calcium chloride overnight chemical warfare and still had to chip on it for an hour. When I came back the next day there was a neighbor down the taxiway that was intending to leave after he thawed and preheated. I helped a bit. Sor-ry.
Yup, up until recently the ramp sloped down in to our hangar doors. Uninsulated steel hangars mean when it snows all of it melts, runs down the roof, and then freezes right in front of the door. Plus, the airport plows refused to get close enough to the hangars to be effective, so we'd get a small hill of ice-capped snow to chip through.
They finally repaved last summer and regraded the whole area, so water actually flows away from the hangars. It was much easier to clean up after storms this winter.
At least the plane will perform like a beaut
Just start her up in the hangar and taxi out
moronic monday question.. What do you think would happen? lol
Thanks for asking this because I also wanted to ask it but was too scared to
Probably nothing lol. Risky, but the probability of something happen if you do it once isn't bad.
Even better, the hangar will probably act as a blast shield like they have on aircraft carriers for better performance
Forget heated covers. Those barely work. Two words: bullet heater. You can get em for $150 and they are a LIFE SAVER.
We always put a crusty old comforter on the cowling and used those heaters. Using a shitty old pee-stained comforter even today but got a block heater with an LTE switch. Call it up, couple hours later when you arrive your engine oil flows like it’s been running all day.
It's great for the helicopters cause on most we can open the engine cowlings easier (or there is no engine cowling) and the heat is direct so the heater only takes 10 minutes to fully heat the engine.
Yep! That’s what we’ve got going here.
I think that’s what we actually have - the blanket on this plane is just an old comforter. The cord hooks into a heater inside the cowling.
Yeah but your performance numbers will be AWESOME.
Nothing like a cold day to make you feel like you’re doing a space shuttle takeoff :)
I remember my first flight in cold weather. Damn plane was zippy as hell.
It’s well worth your toes being a little numb.
“This is the cabin heat. You need to know it’s operation for your oral: an air duct passes over the exhaust cowling, which is important because it can leak carbon monoxide and kill you. Anyway, it’s this knob here.”
“You know what? It’s not that cold today.”
I hear you. I feel the same way.
As an antipode, I've seen sluggish performance in the summer and wished the plane had A/C. Opening the door latch on the post-landing taxi back is one of those memories that can't be put into words.
Death gripping the controls as a student pilot, I always envied the casual way my instructor would pop the window during taxi, his other arm stretched into the backseat. It was one of the first things I started doing when I got my license and became more relaxed, and I relish that window thunk noise every single time in a 172.
Also, thank you for teaching me a new word: antipode.
Edit: jk. We only use ours to get the hangar doors open.
And to top it off, it’s gone through four or five thaw-freeze cycles. Boooooooo.
Hey! That's the airport I grew up at. Crazy to see.
Worth the extra effort to shovel it all back
Meh start the plane and taxi out with the yoke pulled back you’ll be fine it doesn’t look deep
Must be north facing at crystal. I had same thing to scoop yesterday. My little electric snowblower didn’t really want to help out.
Yep! All the south-facing hangars were nice and clear. I found an ancient gas snow thrower, but it was of course out of fuel!
Back in my day we had to shovel our way in and out of a hangar. You kids have it easy now! 🤣
One of my old instructors shared a story about an old student of his who, upon seeing the snow on the ground one day, was dismayed that there was no way they would be able to taxi due to the tires skidding out.
My instructor informed him that there is no driveshaft to the tires, and the prop pulls them on the ground as well as the air. Good stuff.
Also, ITT: quit yer bitchin’, first world problems, blah blah blah :)