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As a student at 6 flight hours this scares the hell out of me.
Good. Respect the aircraft.
Then, know that if you fly coordinated and watch your speeds properly in the pattern, you can't spin.
A coordinated aircraft will stall. An uncoordinated aircraft will spin.
Pedants will jump in here that a spin is an uncoordinated stall, which is absolutely true - so, just keep the controls coordinated and you'll be good. :D
I don't think that is sufficient. If you don't want to spin, you should develop the reflex to detect and recover from incipient spin. There's no time to think about it when a wing drops unexpectedly and you're close to the ground.
In moderate to severe turbulence its possible to unexpectedly start to enter a spin. Turbulence can turn coordinated fast flight into uncoordinated slow flight. Last fall I was flying straight and level at 2X Vs1 when the wing dropped 45 degrees. I recovered before the spin fully developed. It was a turbulent day and I flew into a patch of more severe turbulence. I was flying above a ridge, so maybe 1000 AGL, so there was plenty of altitude to recover, but a similar upset could occur at lower altitude.
I agree with you. I as a student actually didn't learn about spins until quite late in training. I overheard two instructors talking about spins so I took the opportunity to ask. Got taught some great lessons that day.
It had always been hammered in my head to keep the aircraft coordinated, but not necessarily why I needed to. Spins are a pretty big reason to fly right.
I like to formally refresh my spin recovery training with a CFI once a year or so. This is mostly to desensitize myself to the spin sensations. In addition to that I get a lot of practice with 'incipient spins' because circling in a glider in turbulent thermals at minimum speed entails periodic wing drops and recoveries.
Noob here: what altitude are they at? Doesn't it seem dangerously low?
Depends on the pilot and bird.
Can be recovered in 500 ish feet in a 150.
They’re at least 5,000 agl. They held that spin long enough to lose at least 1,000 feet and the ground doesn’t really look much closer.
Try flying a Bristell, No matter how coordinated you are when you stall them they will likely drop a wing. It’s the nature of the airframe. Conventional aircraft like Cessnas and Warriors are fairly hard to get into a spin(if you’re coordinated) but this doesn’t mean they are all difficult.
Of course. I agree with your statement “respect the aircraft” however
I was gonna say the same thing. I have 4 hours and this spin looks scarier than how it’s described in the stick and rudder book.
You are scared of it due to the "unknown unknowns". The best cure is to get an instructor and suitable aircraft and go and practice it. The first one or two might be unsettling, but you will soon acclimatize. Recognizing the stall and incipient phase is not enough to help you understand and appreciate a spin. There is a difference in how long it takes to recover from the incipient phase and the fully developed spin phase.
I guess I was lucky. I had an old grey beard instructor that made me train spins from very early in my training (I think the third flight). The idea was to make the identification and recovery almost a reflex. I still remember him during the one flight: "Are you green yet? Ok, one more, to the right this time."
I know all that training paid off during at least one flight out in the middle of nowhere, low down, slow, looking for a windsock that was shredded. While in a turn over the airfield and looking back over my shoulder to find the other aircraft flying with me, it happened: Squuaaaeeeeeeek! The recovery was pretty much immediate when I felt the controls soften up and nothing came of it. ( I know I was too slow and I shouldn't have placed myself into the position to be that low and slow, but sometimes we mess up. )
My feeling is that not enough time is spent on training around slow flight: You need to understand how the aircraft behaves near or at the stall. It is also a great coordination exercise, because if you fly uncoordinated right above the stall, you will most likely have a wing drop and incipient spin.
Yeah I've even this early noticed just how different the plane can feel in slow flight. Catching more air with less speed makes small adjustments need to be done with big sweeps on the control stick. Meanwhile the rudder seems to take a larger part in things but I'm so green at this point I might be wrong about all of that.
This makes me want to go do spins now! I hated them at first, and now they're fun.
Used to do these in a T-34 back in the day. Jeezus, that was fun.
Oh man, I did my spin training in a Decathlon. That was quite a fun airplane to fly.
Needs more acceleration and inverted. 😁
Is he wearing a parachute?
A false sense of security is better than nothing at all.
I did spin awareness as part of my PPL, and it taught me to always be vigilant of exactly how an aircraft can behave. I’m always keeping a close eye on airspeed on my downwind->base->final.
Figured out how to do these via unintentional uncoordinated stall. Questioned my choice to try and become a pilot that day.
Ah, brings back fond memories of puking my brains out getting a spin endorsement.
Is this the Thrust Flight out of KADS? The landscape looks familiar.
Love spinning, it's part of our pre-solo training in gliders so we do quite a lot of it!
That looks awesome!!
I've just started flying (2nd time) & am going to start training for my LAPL.